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9:48pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Slow down! says...

Don't eat yellow snow.
Don't eat yellow snow. Slow down!
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9:52pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Mark1970 says...

Just finished work and must have been an accident somewhere earlier as a few ambulances were blues and twos, one of which was followed by the police.

East Reach and most of Taunton were wall to wall traffic from around 5pm to 7pm.

Sadly you still had a few idiots after that driving far too fast. Defiantly doing over 30mph going down East Reach.

As the night wore on, traction was getting more and more unreliable and climbing one hill, had to put hazards on as car was tail fishing.

Saw a Jaguar a big heavy car on South Street where he was struggling to hold the car even at 10 mph.

Defiantly not a good night for driving and hopefully people will not try driving if they do not have to.
Just finished work and must have been an accident somewhere earlier as a few ambulances were blues and twos, one of which was followed by the police. East Reach and most of Taunton were wall to wall traffic from around 5pm to 7pm. Sadly you still had a few idiots after that driving far too fast. Defiantly doing over 30mph going down East Reach. As the night wore on, traction was getting more and more unreliable and climbing one hill, had to put hazards on as car was tail fishing. Saw a Jaguar a big heavy car on South Street where he was struggling to hold the car even at 10 mph. Defiantly not a good night for driving and hopefully people will not try driving if they do not have to. Mark1970
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8:23am Wed 23 Jan 13

Dr Dave says...

I was lucky to get home from Wellington to a local outlying village at 4pm! Traffic was chaotic in Wellington, I think everyone panicked - and quite rightly, the speed at which it came down and settled was alarming.
I was lucky to get home from Wellington to a local outlying village at 4pm! Traffic was chaotic in Wellington, I think everyone panicked - and quite rightly, the speed at which it came down and settled was alarming. Dr Dave
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9:13am Wed 23 Jan 13

Mr_Opinionated says...

I find it pathetic that the lazy Teachers can't be bothered to come to school and teach our children. I managed to drive to London today with no problems what so ever, yet they say they can't get a couple of miles down the road. This causes all sorts of problems for parents with child care problems, and yet the teachers seem to think that because there is a little bit of snow about they can have another free day off, surely they get enough already. Surely in this day and age you would have thought that could organise so contingencies to ensure that they are honouring their commitments to the public, after all isn't that what I am paying my taxes for!!!!!!!
I find it pathetic that the lazy Teachers can't be bothered to come to school and teach our children. I managed to drive to London today with no problems what so ever, yet they say they can't get a couple of miles down the road. This causes all sorts of problems for parents with child care problems, and yet the teachers seem to think that because there is a little bit of snow about they can have another free day off, surely they get enough already. Surely in this day and age you would have thought that could organise so contingencies to ensure that they are honouring their commitments to the public, after all isn't that what I am paying my taxes for!!!!!!! Mr_Opinionated
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10:40am Wed 23 Jan 13

Slow down! says...

Maybe the brave volunteers with 4x4 should stop ferrying old folk to and from hospital/doctor appointments and stop delivering hot meals to them and concentrate on picking up these fragile teachers that fail to make it to school when we get a couple of cm’s of snow/slush.

Strange how the majority of parents make it to these cut off schools.

Wouldn’t it be nice if the schools which are shut donate the teachers pay to charity?
Maybe the brave volunteers with 4x4 should stop ferrying old folk to and from hospital/doctor appointments and stop delivering hot meals to them and concentrate on picking up these fragile teachers that fail to make it to school when we get a couple of cm’s of snow/slush. Strange how the majority of parents make it to these cut off schools. Wouldn’t it be nice if the schools which are shut donate the teachers pay to charity? Slow down!
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10:58am Wed 23 Jan 13

Slow down! says...

Just to make it clear I'm not having a go at all teachers, some have made the effort, well done to those.
Just to make it clear I'm not having a go at all teachers, some have made the effort, well done to those. Slow down!
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12:04pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Mr_Opinionated says...

Well said "Slow down!"
Well said "Slow down!" Mr_Opinionated
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12:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Samej1 says...

Schools have catchment areas for pupils, so in many cases (except for rural pupils) it's not too much of a problem for the pupils to get to school by shanks' pony.

On the other hand, it's often the case that a large number of the school's staff live more than 5,10 or more miles away (and in the case of some senior staff, a lot more) so the perception that it's laziness is far from the mark in a lot of cases. Imagine if the key staff had to drive from, say, Nether Stowey to Taunton/Bridgwater - the road was closed and people were put up in the village hall overnight.

You also have to remember who closes the school - hint, it's not the teachers.
Schools have catchment areas for pupils, so in many cases (except for rural pupils) it's not too much of a problem for the pupils to get to school by shanks' pony. On the other hand, it's often the case that a large number of the school's staff live more than 5,10 or more miles away (and in the case of some senior staff, a lot more) so the perception that it's laziness is far from the mark in a lot of cases. Imagine if the key staff had to drive from, say, Nether Stowey to Taunton/Bridgwater - the road was closed and people were put up in the village hall overnight. You also have to remember who closes the school - hint, it's not the teachers. Samej1
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12:43pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Mark1970 says...

Roads today in Taunton are very driveable compared to last night. Not much traffic about which is good, but the gritters and other people involved clearing our roads have done a fantastic job and should be congratulated.
Roads today in Taunton are very driveable compared to last night. Not much traffic about which is good, but the gritters and other people involved clearing our roads have done a fantastic job and should be congratulated. Mark1970
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12:57pm Wed 23 Jan 13

somerset girl says...

Samej1 wrote:
Schools have catchment areas for pupils, so in many cases (except for rural pupils) it's not too much of a problem for the pupils to get to school by shanks' pony.

On the other hand, it's often the case that a large number of the school's staff live more than 5,10 or more miles away (and in the case of some senior staff, a lot more) so the perception that it's laziness is far from the mark in a lot of cases. Imagine if the key staff had to drive from, say, Nether Stowey to Taunton/Bridgwater - the road was closed and people were put up in the village hall overnight.

You also have to remember who closes the school - hint, it's not the teachers.
Well said Samej1. It's Somerset county council who decide about closing schools and this decision is due to health and safety. and that is because we now live in a blame and claim society!!! so basically schools are shut so they don't get sued. Its sad we live in a society like this. And to everyone else I am sure if you actually spoke to teachers they would rather be at school teaching so kids don't miss out on learning.
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: Schools have catchment areas for pupils, so in many cases (except for rural pupils) it's not too much of a problem for the pupils to get to school by shanks' pony. On the other hand, it's often the case that a large number of the school's staff live more than 5,10 or more miles away (and in the case of some senior staff, a lot more) so the perception that it's laziness is far from the mark in a lot of cases. Imagine if the key staff had to drive from, say, Nether Stowey to Taunton/Bridgwater - the road was closed and people were put up in the village hall overnight. You also have to remember who closes the school - hint, it's not the teachers.[/p][/quote]Well said Samej1. It's Somerset county council who decide about closing schools and this decision is due to health and safety. and that is because we now live in a blame and claim society!!! so basically schools are shut so they don't get sued. Its sad we live in a society like this. And to everyone else I am sure if you actually spoke to teachers they would rather be at school teaching so kids don't miss out on learning. somerset girl
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1:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Slow down! says...

I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not.

Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow.
I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not. Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow. Slow down!
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1:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Samej1 says...

Slow down! wrote:
I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not.

Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow.
And the head is delegated responsibility from which organisation?
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not. Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow.[/p][/quote]And the head is delegated responsibility from which organisation? Samej1
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1:35pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Budgie22 says...

Last night the road from Chilthorne Domer to Yeovil was in complete gridlock after people got stuck on the hill, took me nearly 2 hours to get home from Martock! Can't believe the road wasn't gritted and the police didn't close it even after people were sliding into the bushes and embankment!
Last night the road from Chilthorne Domer to Yeovil was in complete gridlock after people got stuck on the hill, took me nearly 2 hours to get home from Martock! Can't believe the road wasn't gritted and the police didn't close it even after people were sliding into the bushes and embankment! Budgie22
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1:43pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Slow down! says...

Samej1 wrote:
Slow down! wrote: I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not. Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow.
And the head is delegated responsibility from which organisation?
But its still the Heads decision not Somerset County Councils, thanks for agreeing with me.
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not. Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow.[/p][/quote]And the head is delegated responsibility from which organisation?[/p][/quote]But its still the Heads decision not Somerset County Councils, thanks for agreeing with me. Slow down!
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1:48pm Wed 23 Jan 13

somerset girl says...

Mr_Opinionated wrote:
I find it pathetic that the lazy Teachers can't be bothered to come to school and teach our children. I managed to drive to London today with no problems what so ever, yet they say they can't get a couple of miles down the road. This causes all sorts of problems for parents with child care problems, and yet the teachers seem to think that because there is a little bit of snow about they can have another free day off, surely they get enough already. Surely in this day and age you would have thought that could organise so contingencies to ensure that they are honouring their commitments to the public, after all isn't that what I am paying my taxes for!!!!!!!
Mr_opinionated could you tell me why bus services are not running today ? as you said you drove to London, my husband managed to drive to work but buses cannot drive around the town ? As I said it is all because of blame and claim society so please don't judge teachers they do not have a choice about schools being shut look at the bigger picture.
[quote][p][bold]Mr_Opinionated[/bold] wrote: I find it pathetic that the lazy Teachers can't be bothered to come to school and teach our children. I managed to drive to London today with no problems what so ever, yet they say they can't get a couple of miles down the road. This causes all sorts of problems for parents with child care problems, and yet the teachers seem to think that because there is a little bit of snow about they can have another free day off, surely they get enough already. Surely in this day and age you would have thought that could organise so contingencies to ensure that they are honouring their commitments to the public, after all isn't that what I am paying my taxes for!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Mr_opinionated could you tell me why bus services are not running today ? as you said you drove to London, my husband managed to drive to work but buses cannot drive around the town ? As I said it is all because of blame and claim society so please don't judge teachers they do not have a choice about schools being shut look at the bigger picture. somerset girl
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2:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

somerset girl says...

Slow down! County may make it the head's decision but if you were a head teacher would you be prepared to put your neck on the line and risk being sued by some parent's who's children had slipped in the snow ??? I agree schools should be open we went to school in the snow and had great fun but society is all health and safety this health and safety that nowadays and that is not teachers faults. I know of schools that are open today but parents haven't sent their kids in, have said it is too dangerous, that the schools are wrong for opening, and that if there kids have gone in the will hold the school responsible if any thing happens to their children. So I really think it is unfair that teachers are being called lazy and being blamed for schools being shut.
Slow down! County may make it the head's decision but if you were a head teacher would you be prepared to put your neck on the line and risk being sued by some parent's who's children had slipped in the snow ??? I agree schools should be open we went to school in the snow and had great fun but society is all health and safety this health and safety that nowadays and that is not teachers faults. I know of schools that are open today but parents haven't sent their kids in, have said it is too dangerous, that the schools are wrong for opening, and that if there kids have gone in the will hold the school responsible if any thing happens to their children. So I really think it is unfair that teachers are being called lazy and being blamed for schools being shut. somerset girl
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2:15pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Samej1 says...

Slow down! wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
Slow down! wrote: I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not. Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow.
And the head is delegated responsibility from which organisation?
But its still the Heads decision not Somerset County Councils, thanks for agreeing with me.
And ditto thanks for agreeing that it's not the fragile teachers fault too!
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: I believe it's the head teacher’s decision as to whether a school is open or not. Hence why Enmore Primary School was open this morning as the Head plus others were there at 5am clearing the snow.[/p][/quote]And the head is delegated responsibility from which organisation?[/p][/quote]But its still the Heads decision not Somerset County Councils, thanks for agreeing with me.[/p][/quote]And ditto thanks for agreeing that it's not the fragile teachers fault too! Samej1
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2:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Edwap says...

Before the teacher bashing brigade spout all of their usual drivel (I know, lots of it is already on here)....

Teachers have no say at all as to whether their schools open, it is the head teacher and chair of governors (the chair of governors is explicitly not allowed to be a member of staff at the school)

I was working in a school a few years ago that did open in the snow. A child fell over on site and broke his arm....the school was sued and the head teacher called in to the local county hall (I was not in Somerset at the time) and grilled/told off for opening (there was less snow than there is here in Taunton today)

According to the news reports, nearly a third of the workforce are not expected to make it in to work on 'snow days' ie plenty of non-teachers feel they cannot make it to work as well

As others have pointed out, plenty of other industries do not operate or operate in a reduced form in the snow eg buses, recycling services, trains, planes, church services .....

I am sure from talking to parents that most would prefer to have a school closed for the day rather than opening and than opening for a bit and then closing part way through the day

With buses not running, huge numbers of children can't make it into school anyway

Some parents I have spoken to have made comments along the lines of "I wouldn't send my child anyway as I wouldn't want them to get stuck there," or "great, a day to spend having fun with my children."

Teachers are paid to work 1265 hours a year yet the average primary school teacher clocks up 49 hours per week which, over 40 weeks that schools are open, equates to 1960 hours ie so what if they miss a few hours on one or two days - they will still work many more hours than they are paid for. (This point also completely ignores the fact that many teachers will be working today anyway on paperwork type activities - I have manged to get several such jobs done today which will mean I won't need time out of class over the next few weeks)

Yes - I know how difficult it is when schools have to close but let's get some perspective.


As an interesting side-note: one friend who works in a school that was open had less than a third of her class in today with most parents saying they didn't want to send their kids in, one such family live right next to the school!
Before the teacher bashing brigade spout all of their usual drivel (I know, lots of it is already on here).... Teachers have no say at all as to whether their schools open, it is the head teacher and chair of governors (the chair of governors is explicitly not allowed to be a member of staff at the school) I was working in a school a few years ago that did open in the snow. A child fell over on site and broke his arm....the school was sued and the head teacher called in to the local county hall (I was not in Somerset at the time) and grilled/told off for opening (there was less snow than there is here in Taunton today) According to the news reports, nearly a third of the workforce are not expected to make it in to work on 'snow days' ie plenty of non-teachers feel they cannot make it to work as well As others have pointed out, plenty of other industries do not operate or operate in a reduced form in the snow eg buses, recycling services, trains, planes, church services ..... I am sure from talking to parents that most would prefer to have a school closed for the day rather than opening and than opening for a bit and then closing part way through the day With buses not running, huge numbers of children can't make it into school anyway Some parents I have spoken to have made comments along the lines of "I wouldn't send my child anyway as I wouldn't want them to get stuck there," or "great, a day to spend having fun with my children." Teachers are paid to work 1265 hours a year yet the average primary school teacher clocks up 49 hours per week which, over 40 weeks that schools are open, equates to 1960 hours ie so what if they miss a few hours on one or two days - they will still work many more hours than they are paid for. (This point also completely ignores the fact that many teachers will be working today anyway on paperwork type activities - I have manged to get several such jobs done today which will mean I won't need time out of class over the next few weeks) Yes - I know how difficult it is when schools have to close but let's get some perspective. As an interesting side-note: one friend who works in a school that was open had less than a third of her class in today with most parents saying they didn't want to send their kids in, one such family live right next to the school! Edwap
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2:27pm Wed 23 Jan 13

j.04.1994 says...

Mr_Opinionated it is not the teachers choice to open the school, schools are tied by policy's and legislation set out by the government. policies cant be breached because they are there to ensure children's safety and if they are breached schools can get in a lot of trouble. so before judging teachers u should look at the wider picture. teachers child are not lazy they have to do a lot to ensure children learn the curriculum areas to help them to develop!!!!!! the head's that have opened there schools will have to deal if any come backs from parents if their child hurts themselves
Mr_Opinionated it is not the teachers choice to open the school, schools are tied by policy's and legislation set out by the government. policies cant be breached because they are there to ensure children's safety and if they are breached schools can get in a lot of trouble. so before judging teachers u should look at the wider picture. teachers child are not lazy they have to do a lot to ensure children learn the curriculum areas to help them to develop!!!!!! the head's that have opened there schools will have to deal if any come backs from parents if their child hurts themselves j.04.1994
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2:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Marganita says...

The location re the picture tweeted by Phil Hill taken of the 1963 snow is incorrect - it is actually Westgate Street.
The location re the picture tweeted by Phil Hill taken of the 1963 snow is incorrect - it is actually Westgate Street. Marganita
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4:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Rob71272 says...

I had a reply from the chair of governors of our local primary school when i asked if parents clearing paths of snow would enable the school to open. His reply was no because "it's the staff's ability to get to school that is the problem". So in this case it is down to the teachers, choosing to live too far from where they work. and just to clarify, I drove the 5 1/2 miles from my village to my place of work this morning with no problems at all. Perhaps teachers should consider living in the community they serve???
I had a reply from the chair of governors of our local primary school when i asked if parents clearing paths of snow would enable the school to open. His reply was no because "it's the staff's ability to get to school that is the problem". So in this case it is down to the teachers, choosing to live too far from where they work. and just to clarify, I drove the 5 1/2 miles from my village to my place of work this morning with no problems at all. Perhaps teachers should consider living in the community they serve??? Rob71272
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4:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Samej1 says...

Rob71272 wrote:
I had a reply from the chair of governors of our local primary school when i asked if parents clearing paths of snow would enable the school to open. His reply was no because "it's the staff's ability to get to school that is the problem". So in this case it is down to the teachers, choosing to live too far from where they work. and just to clarify, I drove the 5 1/2 miles from my village to my place of work this morning with no problems at all. Perhaps teachers should consider living in the community they serve???
What an utterly ill informed and short sighted view! I'd suggest you look at the availability of education jobs and housing costs before you continue along that cul-de-sac.
[quote][p][bold]Rob71272[/bold] wrote: I had a reply from the chair of governors of our local primary school when i asked if parents clearing paths of snow would enable the school to open. His reply was no because "it's the staff's ability to get to school that is the problem". So in this case it is down to the teachers, choosing to live too far from where they work. and just to clarify, I drove the 5 1/2 miles from my village to my place of work this morning with no problems at all. Perhaps teachers should consider living in the community they serve???[/p][/quote]What an utterly ill informed and short sighted view! I'd suggest you look at the availability of education jobs and housing costs before you continue along that cul-de-sac. Samej1
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4:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Rob71272 says...

House's aren't that expensive where I live and if my kids are ill they come to the hospital where I work with some real heroes who have made long journeys to get to work, or perhaps they choose to work near where they live.
House's aren't that expensive where I live and if my kids are ill they come to the hospital where I work with some real heroes who have made long journeys to get to work, or perhaps they choose to work near where they live. Rob71272
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5:08pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Samej1 says...

Rob71272 wrote:
House's aren't that expensive where I live and if my kids are ill they come to the hospital where I work with some real heroes who have made long journeys to get to work, or perhaps they choose to work near where they live.
"speechless"
[quote][p][bold]Rob71272[/bold] wrote: House's aren't that expensive where I live and if my kids are ill they come to the hospital where I work with some real heroes who have made long journeys to get to work, or perhaps they choose to work near where they live.[/p][/quote]"speechless" Samej1
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6:45pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Blue Owl says...

Well we in Bridgwater, had a maximum of 2 Centimetres of snow, 2inches to those of us over 50. Bristol, Bath, Wellington, Devon , Dorset, all had far more than we did, upto A foot, so First Bus in Taunton Cancelled Buses, Gloustershire had more than anyone, but we in Bridgwater, could'nt cope.
Thankyou, to the **** in the 4x4 last night on St John St, who thought that driving down the middle of the road @ 50mph towards the Mini roundabout past the Bunch of Grapes pub, Spraying the surface Slush across the road some 15 ft covering me from Hat to toe in wet Slush, as I was walking home @ 11.15, even forcing it deep into my ear, Bxxxdy good job his number plate was covered in snow. Or he would be facing Police action today.
Some might say, could'nt have happened to a more deserving fellow,
Well, I hope this inconsiderate driver does'nt repeat this again, but I expect the moron will....

Regards Blu-Owl
Well we in Bridgwater, had a maximum of 2 Centimetres of snow, 2inches to those of us over 50. Bristol, Bath, Wellington, Devon , Dorset, all had far more than we did, upto A foot, so First Bus in Taunton Cancelled Buses, Gloustershire had more than anyone, but we in Bridgwater, could'nt cope. Thankyou, to the **** in the 4x4 last night on St John St, who thought that driving down the middle of the road @ 50mph towards the Mini roundabout past the Bunch of Grapes pub, Spraying the surface Slush across the road some 15 ft covering me from Hat to toe in wet Slush, as I was walking home @ 11.15, even forcing it deep into my ear, Bxxxdy good job his number plate was covered in snow. Or he would be facing Police action today. Some might say, could'nt have happened to a more deserving fellow, Well, I hope this inconsiderate driver does'nt repeat this again, but I expect the moron will.... Regards Blu-Owl Blue Owl
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7:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Blue Owl says...

Useacarpark.com wrote:
Theres 2.52cm in an inch, that's the same no matter how old you are!
What a smart arse are you!!. Your the type of person, who looks for the typo errors in reports no doubt!!
Get a life, oh and Thankyou for your input. I could'nt have lived with myself for not knowing.
I am forever in your debt, cynically yours Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: Theres 2.52cm in an inch, that's the same no matter how old you are![/p][/quote]What a smart arse are you!!. Your the type of person, who looks for the typo errors in reports no doubt!! Get a life, oh and Thankyou for your input. I could'nt have lived with myself for not knowing. I am forever in your debt, cynically yours Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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8:44pm Wed 23 Jan 13

BaldCarl2 says...

A bit of snow and we see the weakest professions crumbling in an abject display of self pity.
A bit of snow and we see the weakest professions crumbling in an abject display of self pity. BaldCarl2
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9:04am Thu 24 Jan 13

Blue Owl says...

Useacarpark.com wrote:
Knowing the difference between a cm and inch hardly makes me a smart arse. It wasn't meant to aggravate you, I wouldn't be that harsh to someone who had water pushed deep into their ear.......omg I really did lol at that one!
Apologies to you, on reflection, but I was a little pee'd of by this thoughtless drivers actions, and carried it to your response, so you received my venom.
Hopefully u can understand!!
Regards David Preece Aka Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: Knowing the difference between a cm and inch hardly makes me a smart arse. It wasn't meant to aggravate you, I wouldn't be that harsh to someone who had water pushed deep into their ear.......omg I really did lol at that one![/p][/quote]Apologies to you, on reflection, but I was a little pee'd of by this thoughtless drivers actions, and carried it to your response, so you received my venom. Hopefully u can understand!! Regards David Preece Aka Blue-Owl Blue Owl
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